Universal Access To All Knowledge
Home Donate | Store | Blog | FAQ | Jobs | Volunteer Positions | Contact | Bios | Forums | Projects | Terms, Privacy, & Copyright
Search: Advanced Search
Anonymous User (login or join us)
Upload

Reply to this post | Go Back
View Post [edit]

Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 10, 2007 5:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Where do we go from here?

(Sorry: accidentally posted this below--so pardon the second posting!)

I know--or chose to believe--the Cliff posted in the heat of the moment. And please note that my reply saluted Cliff for his many fine posts. It's kind of like Mr. Wolf (NO disrespect intended): both of them love this forum enough to stand up and "protect" what they see as its integrity--and for that I salute them. But when you see something you love as threatened and you, too, feel threatened, then nothing gets resolved. Me, I just don't wish to take it all that seriously. If the post weren't addressed to me, I would have read it, sighed, and moved on. And I am doing so now.

The best of intentions aren't always expressed in the best way--I'm just as guilty as the next person.

Meanwhile:

back to Mr. Tell, et al. I agree that the forum seems to be lacking in substance. But, can you guys get a little more specific (play nice :) ). Not what you don't like--I think we've got that nailed down--but what you miss about the forum. Cush, Wolf (that's Mr. Wolf!), Arbuthnot, Tell, CLIFF, SDH, rob, Bryan, Dancinbear, Liam, Tigerbolt, rastamon, rbnworthy, Wharfrat, stratocaster, Ashesrising,--all of you guys who have made this forum interesting and informative (this list is longer than I have hatily printed)--I'm starting a thread for you to speak out about the forum--to help refocus it and reform it into something of substance.

Lurkers and new posters: you too.

Please be constructive: honestly--I'm not sure what is missing--I can only conjecture. Please: no attacks, personal or otherwise.

Is it the hijacking ( you know, you can start a personal conversation in a new thread: and I, for one, love to see old friends share a moment, no matter if it be one that eludes me with personal references to haggis or beer)? You guys can be incredible supportive of one another (I just reread a string between Bryan and Dire from Dec 27 that says it all).

Is it the trivia? Please check out http://www.theskyiscrape.com/phpBB2/index.php

This is a Pearl Jam forum site, and my god can these guys get trivial. But they don't step on one another's toes. Okay--sometimes they, too, get testy. This forum is fortunate in that it is subdivided into 12 categories from General Chat, to Live Chat, to Announcements. We don't have that luxury--everything must be on one forum.

So--what do we do to make it palatable for new and old alike? Help me here, guys. I miss your posts and repostes.

What say you?

Please?




This post was modified by ghostofpig on 2007-04-10 12:45:27

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: SDH2O Date: Apr 10, 2007 7:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Well, let me be the first to reply (I know, surprise given how much I don't normally speak up..........right). I acknowledge that the nature of the forum has changed over the time I have been contributing, just as I am sure it was changing well before I arrived on scene and will continue to do so when and if I elect to move on. This is the nature of anything in life. In my opinion, if we try to corral and direct the content of the forum back towards what we saw it once to be, I feel we will be doing ourselves and each other a great disservice. The thing about this forum that I have always loved is that it is a great combination of EVERYTHING, from personal notes to current events to mindless trivia and, oh yeah, lots of great Dead talk. If this place was ONLY folks talking about nothing else but the Dead and the Dead only, I am pretty sure I would quickly grow bored and move on (I am speaking only for myself here). It is for this reason that I encourage the great variety and individuality that we have here. Great insight, fantastic show recommendations, humorous recollections, satirical barbs, and so on. The combination of all those things, to me at least, makes the forum what it is and the loss or restriction of any of those parts would only take away from the whole.
That said, I will, however, reiterate a point I have made before and will continue to make again and again: this only works if we treat each other, old and new, with respect. As long as the posts are not degrading or vindictive, bring 'em on. Some posts here I find rather senseless and irrelevant, but hardly in the class of thoughts I would classify as offensive. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a fan of any type of censorship or restriction of freedom of thought and expression.
This forum will continue to change and morph into many things regardless of what we do, just as it always has. It is my hope that the regular posters whom I have come to respect for any number of reasons will continue to share their thoughts and opinions with everyone else, and also encourage new blood to join in with their viewpoints. To just cease contributing because of what may be seen as a degrading of quality here will only add fuel to the fire. Please, everyone keep the input coming and I for one will not mind taking a little extra time seperating the wheat from the chaff to get to what I see as the quality posts.
Just like with my children, I can only guide them so much, but eventually have to let them grow on their own, trusting that what contributions I have made may help result in them becoming a valued member of society. So I feel it best if we just let the Forum grow where it may, but at the same time keep a watchful eye for anything that may seek to do it harm. And, as always, that's just me.

Damn, I am a real blowhard sometimes, aren't I?

OK, now that's out of the way. Can I get back to planting munitions under some Mormons now? Oh, crap, you didn't hear me say that.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2007-04-10 14:11:12

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: suckeesuckeetendollah Date: Apr 10, 2007 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

But all the wabbits are gone, Pigman, and they don't want to talk to you anymore. Silly wabbits--bye bye.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Apr 10, 2007 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Take heed, O ye dabbler in abominations, for you will be mocked by eunuchs!

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: high flow Date: Apr 10, 2007 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

ugh. snoozing on lma once-again. :(

Well, at least there is fantasy baseball to keep me occupied.

I'm listening to more GD than ever, but I've lost the vigor for GD chat.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: SDH2O Date: Apr 10, 2007 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Holy Crap! I think you've stumbled on the hidden genious that has been at work here as of late. The more ridiculous and nonsensical things get around here, the more time we have to spend listening to music. It appears that great things are being wrought by what on the surface appears annoying and irritating. We are being channeled back towards what we truly love by that which we first found repulsive. Brilliant!

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 10, 2007 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

There be method in this madness?

Hey--question. Wasn't this forum originally a part of the general music forum? When did it spin off--around the time of the great clampdown? I vaguely recall peeking into the old forum while downloading--it was quite crowded with all sorts of posts about all sorts of things. The Dead threads were all about how the Dead sucked for pulling the sbds, how a lot of folks were going to boycott the band, and so on--and, of course, those posts defending the band.

Seems that the forum was born out of the ashes of that very angry debate in which quite a few posts were way over the line. My point? This is a definite improvement!!!!!!!!

This post was modified by ghostofpig on 2007-04-10 21:41:02

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: SDH2O Date: Apr 10, 2007 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

BINGO.


Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: high flow Date: Apr 10, 2007 1:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

I guess so. The rules are too rigid for me here at GD Forum.

You must be either the delicate genius or the village idiot to make a post.

And here I am, stuck in the middle w/ you.

Just like TV's political debate shows, it's all about black and white here. Which is bullshit. The truth is GRAY!

There has to be balance between total incoherrence and complete snobbery. Right? Well, I can't find the middle here anymore.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 10, 2007 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

And, good sir--what would be the middle? You still haven't responded to the original question.What is missing for you, or are you just bored with it all? Idiots and snobs? I wonder if that is sometimes synonymous. if you do not like the current posters, why not be active in generating more posts--I notice that you are a replyer and not a generator. Why not start threads that are to your own liking? or jump on the good ones?

You know, I have gone back over the past six months and I really don't see much that is different--except that a handful of regulars have chosen to remain in the shadows rather than stick up for what they wish to see on this board. There have been dubious posts, trivial posts, pompous posts since the beginning of this board. There always will be unless you adopt a set of rules and regulations--the very thing you decry! So, let the bad posts roam with the good ones--there will always be good ones--and there will be more good ones if folks like you stick around.

idiots? Shit--we're all idiots when you consider how much time we devote to a single rock and roll band that has been defunct for 12 years. But we are loving idiots nonetheless, and most folks here seem to enjoy what goes on.

I guess the catch 22--the paradox--is that threads like this do end up detracting from the energy; but they become necessary when that energy comes under fire. Kinda sucks, eh?

How nice it would be if those who feel let down by the current state of affairs would hop back on their steeds and post what they want and realize that the energy is still there. If the board is flat, it is as much because many of the great posters have left and taken the fizz with them. Put the fizz back, my friend, and drink up.

For a week or so SDH took a break and, quite frankly, I missed his energy. His return has blown (why do I always end up using that word in reference to him?) a fresh breeze back into the proceedings. Look--if all the sailors jump ship, then the ship is doomed. If the same sailors climb back on board, they can steer the ship anywhere they like.

High flow--and everyone else--get back on the ship before it founders. Give it a chance. Make of it what you will, or let it die a slow, lingering death. The paradox is that the board is weakened by the absence of those who feel it is week.

But if you turn your back on it, you only diminish it more.

And that would be a shame.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: high flow Date: Apr 10, 2007 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

I hear what you are saying ghost. My post was less a complaint and more of a check-in regarding my current status here at GD forum.

Once upon a time, I was very active in originating threads.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 10, 2007 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Not to say you weren't. I just skimmed your posts and noticed that you had much to say. I just hate to see the whole thing fall apart.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 10, 2007 5:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

i am just in need of a serious break man - too much goin on in "real life" - i'll be back - i lurk occasionally and post here and there - but i just can't be as involved right now - plus the board when i lurk just seems to totally suck right now - just my personal opinion - probably has to do with me being sick of it.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 10, 2007 6:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

To be honest--I can understand that being sick of it feeling, Mr. Wolf. You have been posting and replying for a long time, and all things get stale after a while.

I hope all is going well on the homefront, and I hope you will return at least time to time to stir it up a little!

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 10, 2007 6:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

thanks for the reply ghost - glad you understand where i am coming from.

things are ok - but very stressful right now - part of the reason i am here so seldom. still love reading your posts when i get the chance even if i dont have the time to reply.

peace my good friend

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: SDH2O Date: Apr 10, 2007 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Very sorry to hear that, as I do count you among those who's opionions I have come to value. All I can ask is that you don't dissapear completely, please do stop in now and again to share some thoughts. There are those of us out there who DO appreciate thoughtful and pertinent input.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: high flow Date: Apr 10, 2007 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Sorry, that was not a letter of resignation. Just a note of dis-interest, which I am certain will pass.

I am always down for a good GROK. Perhaps the immediacy of the GROK-Chat and the fact that it is intertwined w/ a group-listening experience, is just more my cup 'o tea.

I do miss a guiltless hello to friends here tho. My buddy Johnny has posting been here often, and I've been reluctant to post a greeting.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Apr 10, 2007 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Did anyone ever consider the more one comments and complains about nonsense, of which I am an enthusiast, the more some might be tempted to keep posting such nonsense?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: high flow Date: Apr 10, 2007 4:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Yes, I have.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 10, 2007 5:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

my feelings exactly highflow - may change - but for now....

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 10, 2007 1:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

2 day's after Easter...all the silly gift-wabbit's are dying, eggs a-rotting! More Dead, more anvil!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5981427262528649024&q=More+Cowbell&hl=en

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Apr 10, 2007 1:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

I pray thou shalt be pursued into the mountains by sex-mad baboons, thou wolf in sheep's clothing!

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 10, 2007 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Kind of what I thought. As I mentioned with my link, it would be wonderful if this forum were split into multiple components, but it is not. And I do not mean to belittle the kindness of our hosts or state that someone else's site is better. We are very fortunate to have a place to communicate at all (Again, thanks archive for all that you do).

But I also miss many of the "old guard" and what they contribute. The bottom line for me is this:

Think back to all those concerts you went to. How different the folks were--oldtimers, newbies, heads, freaks, vegans, acid takers, straights, twirlers, wharfrats, kids, geezers, drunks, meditators, sing alongers, screamers, shouters out of favorite songs, etc. There seemed to be room for everyone on the bus, and even if we didn't like everyone, we still had a good time. The forum should reflect that sense of organized chaos. One liners, linkers, pranksters, trivia buffs, bozos, bolos, Weir lovers, Weir detractors, 1969ers, 1977ers, Brentites, Bruce fans, this, that, and the other. The only way to satisfy everyone's differences is to embrace them. If a poster does bug you, scroll down.

That having been written, there is nothing wrong with seeking more substance. I enjoy in depth posts and threads that say as much about the poster as they do about the band. Remember: the Grateful Dead was more than a bunch of guys on stage. It was everyone in the audience as well--everyone.

SDH--when are you heading to Salt Lake City? I want to be there to film it!

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: BryanE Date: Apr 10, 2007 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Hey now, again, ghost,

I just wanted to concur with you and say that you spoke in your second post with an expression of thoughts I had intended to share, too, in almost exactly the same wording I would have chosen had I not been forced to lose my train of thought. That happens with me frequently as I join in the repartee while I'm at work. And don't nobody narc me out to my boss about this, either. Much as I hate getting up at 5 in the morning, I still gotta feed my family.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: WHARFRAT Date: Apr 10, 2007 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

I was still doing time for some other fuckers crime
but i got some time to hear your story GOP.
What we have here is a forum AND a gift of once in a liftime music from a once in a liftime band. I too am guilty of posting non dead and addressing people in threads.

One thing we can aggree on is.... we will never always aggree on everything with everybody. Sure some posts and some replyies are totally stupid and irrelevant to the music we all enjoy.

I have not been here that long myself! But in the short time
I have been here i have build up some frienship's with people. I Appreciate the knowledge and input that most people have on this forum. I might not always aggree with
all of them but hey, such is life.

I refuse to get into a battle of words with anyone on this
forum. I got better things to do with my time. I don't have
a problem with you or any other individual on this forum!
Feel free to post how you see fit.... I got time to weed
out the shit too. Also have room to make more friends on
this forum yourself included GOP.

As far as making this this forum better.....
TAKE ME TO THE LEADER OF THE BAND!!!
http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-03-16.sbd.hamilton-jackson.167.14770.sbefail.shnf


This post was modified by WHARFRAT on 2007-04-10 23:01:42

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Apr 10, 2007 4:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

One way to improve the forum would be to make it impossible to reply to anything other than the latest post in a thread. Trying to read anything in any kind of order is ridicules after a few people reply to earlier posts (done it myself a few times) then next thing you know the conversation doesn't make sense, even if it did.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: WHARFRAT Date: Apr 10, 2007 4:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Yes but people are on at diffrent times of day man.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Apr 10, 2007 6:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

I don't mean everyone is on the thread at the same time silly, I meant you can go back and reply to the first post in this thread and your comment will look like it was made hours ago and anyone reading the entire thread won't know what you were referring to. Ever read some of the replies and wonder what the hell they are talking about because the box of words above and below do not follow sequentially in time.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: cush11 Date: Apr 10, 2007 6:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

I just put my cursor arrow on the edge of the box and scroll up till it lines up right. I work evenings MST time and by the time I get on at night, it's usually a ghost time. That should not preclude me from replying to any post anywhere along a thread...

Just my opinion...

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Apr 10, 2007 6:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Huh? I think we are talking about different things. You both replied to me, but sometimes people will go back and read the very first post from earlier in the day and reply to that. Then those comments would not apear where they did, you would have to scroll up to see them and anyone else checking for the latest post in the thread would wind up in the middle and not see the actual timeline of the conversation.

Know what I mean? Keep hitting parent button and go all the way back and reply to the first post and watch where your comment goes, before this one which is confusing, just my opinion and nothing was meant to discriminate based on time zone and work shifts. Some folks will go back and read the old post and reply to it, I come in and see a new forum post but clicking on it sends me to comment made in response to something said yesterday and then the conversations start going off in different directions like cheap speedy blotter trips instead of keeping you fixated on the bouncing ball for hours, focused on that one spot in the universe like sugar cube drooling trips.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: cush11 Date: Apr 10, 2007 7:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Ok, I know what you mean there, getting buried at the bottom probably happens to me more that most because of my hours... I use the email notification of responses to my posts, that works pretty well for me, even if it's days or even weeks later I still see reply's... I hope most if not all here do the same.

Mmmm, cush likes "sugar cube drooling trips much better!

;)

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Apr 11, 2007 9:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

I see said the blind transgendered anti war poster maker to the dancing bunny goddess. It should still default to the end of converstaion though, I have been unselecting that check box... I understand more every day. Peace.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 10, 2007 6:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

I already consider you to be my friend, Mr. West.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: WHARFRAT Date: Apr 10, 2007 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Cool like wise

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: JayColodesch Date: Apr 10, 2007 2:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Tho I agree with you premise I figure it just is what it is. Chat is chat. Substance is substance. This forum has always been a mix of both. I read often. Rarely post. My mom taught me don't open your mouth unless you have something to say that adds to conversation. I may be shy, but I have always lived by that. I listen(read) but only speak if I have something to add. The rest of this chat, personal or otherwise is just that, chat. I do very much appreciate the informative posts, I love the music. The rest of it I either read and skip, or just skip. No offense taken or meant. Sticks and stones guys, sticks and stones. Jay

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: cush11 Date: Apr 10, 2007 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

I won't be able to get to this until this evening... Have an important meeting with Osam...Er, I mean have to work a day shift today...

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: SDH2O Date: Apr 10, 2007 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Day shift? Oh, my god. Your alarm clock actually had the letters "AM" showing when you woke up? Those bastards.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: cush11 Date: Apr 10, 2007 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

;)

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: cush11 Date: Apr 11, 2007 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

OK, I got distracted and it took awhile longer to get back here than I planned... So, what I wanted to do was say how absolutely right you are in the snippet from you I'm going to put in here GOP...

"How nice it would be if those who feel let down by the current state of affairs would hop back on their steeds and post what they want and realize that the energy is still there. If the board is flat, it is as much because many of the great posters have left and taken the fizz with them. Put the fizz back, my friend, and drink up.

For a week or so SDH took a break and, quite frankly, I missed his energy. His return has blown (why do I always end up using that word in reference to him?) a fresh breeze back into the proceedings. Look--if all the sailors jump ship, then the ship is doomed. If the same sailors climb back on board, they can steer the ship anywhere they like.

High flow--and everyone else--get back on the ship before it founders. Give it a chance. Make of it what you will, or let it die a slow, lingering death. The paradox is that the board is weakened by the absence of those who feel it is week."

I've made a lot of friends here (I think) and I do enjoy all aspects of the forum, with maybe the willfull disruption and barrage's of... Nevermind, we all know what I'm talking about. Back to the subject. I do genuinely like and enjoy the company of most all of the folks I communicate with here... I do truly miss the ones who have gone and hope they will be back someday!!! I don't meet many folks like you all in real life and when I do, they are usually fairly brief encounters and I never see them again... That's why I value this forum so much! And the Archive itself for giving us this freedom, I too remember the LMA forum, I was a downloader/lurker for a couple years before I started participating. It's kind of like going to "Cheers" except the conversation and music is so much, much better!!! That is how I describe it when my girlfriend starts up with the "How can you spend so much time with people you don't even know???"

I wish I could give credit to whoever it was that coined the phrase, "The best friends I've never met"!!! That's it in a nutshell! Thanks to all, past, present and future... I do hope newcomers are not being deterred from joining in just because of being greeted with somewhat "odd" replies, most of the people here are good people... It wasn't that long ago that I was a "newbie" too...

Peace & out, Cush

PS. Puppy's never hurt either...


Attachment: cush212-_dsc0621.jpg
Attachment: cush212-old & new 212.jpg

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Apr 10, 2007 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Hijacking the thread as I feel it is relevant

have been here now for a good 18 months- in that time I have seen a good number of people express a seemingly infinite number of opinions on the Dead and otherwise- sometimes very eloquently- other times the expository is very humorous- and still other times the writing something to just read and behold.

Allegory, Simile, extended metaphors have all been used in getting across ideas. With all the intelligence and wit I have seen here, I am surprised to a small degree that there is so little truly deep, philosophical thought expressed here- perhaps this is not the place- perhaps a discussion group could form and meet at Chatzy- Why you say?

I was inspired this afternoon to think about a few pretty deep things, ontologically speaking. I was trying to reconcile the factions on this board (as they likely mimic the dead community at large By reconcile I mean have a philosophical inquiry into the group mind and the parts that make up the group mind. Rather than write about my specific observations now, I wonder if we might not want to take a journey together- with the mission and the goal being something that cannot possibly be acheived by a gut reaction or knee-jerk comment

Few bands stayed together as long and played out as frequently as the GD- in ANY idiom of music at any point in time. The great jazz bands/groups never retained a core as long- nor did great R and B bands, etc etc- Maybe King Sunny Ade could be an exception- but I do not know how many jujutsters have been in his band for a long time

Needless to say, the Gratful Dead Experience may offer us and sociologers, philosphers, etc a once in a lifetime- nigh once in a generation possibilty to study how popular music is affected by society.

Using the "music played the band" as an acceptable center piece of the inquiry, I would like to see how much the collective consciousness of the band's fans affected the form of the music, and how the collective consciousness of our society as a whole may have affected the evolution of the band

One possible question could be "Why did Dark Star start becoming a longer set piece when it did, maxing out in its length when it did, and why was it shelved for the most part after a certain time

Are their sociological markers for this? Is it just a coincidence that Dark Star became longer, darker, spookier just when the US stepped up its involvement in the Vietnamese War, and was it coincidence that once the conflict resolved the song disappeared but for novelty?

Was the bombastic, wall of Noise sound in 67-70 a reflection of what our boys were experiencing in the wAR?

1977 was the best year for the band, say many- is it a coincidence that Jimmy Carter was in the white house and the left had an almost quixotian outlook on the future?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: smi2les Date: Apr 10, 2007 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

We are everywhere, and I guess it sloppy seconds for me. I have repeatedly stated my current situation and why I do not Grok.

The My last Grateful Dead concert was in Vegas 1992. My last Jerry's show was in 1992. I have multiple memories of the band and the moment. It's like a fix for me, it goes on the shelf and sometimes comes off the shelf for months. But due to this midnight tractor ride all my music is in storage. So I can sit here and watch dis-information posted by a number of individuals. Respond to a coup attempt. And laugh at some of the bull shit hear as if I was in the parking lot. This has all been quite humorous, disturbing, and enjoyable. But apparently my ass still smells and this is not politically correct for a 21st-century deadhead, I'm not really a deadhead, I'm a head that enjoys the Grateful Dead. So I'm all with this thread, next thread, and any other thread that may represent the Grateful Dead in its full spectrum.

So without further ado, let's get back with the program.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-04-10.senn441.unknown.14191.sbeok.shnf

.........not that we're inbred or hillbillies.......are we ?



This post was modified by smi2les on 2007-04-10 14:55:32

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: not_a_typical_daydream Date: Apr 10, 2007 6:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Just when I thought the insanity was going to peak, Smi2les post a coherent stream of thought that I understood and TT is singing the Fall Guy theme song. Hey, Hey.
I would pay cash money to see Lee Majors, Chuck Norris, and William Shatner start a singing trio up in Vegas.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 10, 2007 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

That is frickin funny, NATDD!

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: BryanE Date: Apr 10, 2007 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

Since you mentioned my name, I'll tell you what I think.

First of all, ghost, I appreciate your respectful comments. Thank you. That means a lot to me. The Grateful Dead is, far and away, one of my favorite topics, one for which I have strong feelings, and I usually put a lot of thought into what I write here. But I've learned after 30 years that my thoughts and feelings, experience, reactions to songs, shows, and the state of mind of fellow Dead Heads, as well as my own emotional involvement and investment with this music are all purely my own. Bob Weir used to say, "We are misfits who play for misfits." As ironic as it should be, man, did that give me a sense of belonging. And I've always kept that in mind, because even though there ain't no place I'd rather be than at Dead shows or the like (give me a night with Ratdog, and I'm like a kid in a candy store), I still have always felt like a misfit at them. Like the reference I cited yesterday, I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants me to be just like them. Okay, that's not the pure truth by any means, but somebody reading this might understand where I'm coming from.

I read plenty on this forum about how it's not what it used to be and questions about where are the old schoolers from the forum's early days. One thing that tells me is that I'm a relative newcomer to the discussion, having been here less than a year. So it's beyond me if this thing is what it was supposed to be when it started. But I do realize it's not my place to police what's said, even though I've been known to throw stones anyway. I've really tried to prevent myself from doing that for a number of reasons, the first being that, as the old saying goes, opinions are like assholes. And that means to me that I shouldn't be one (asshole) simply because I have one (opinion) that's different from someone else's (now switch those around for a laugh). I've also learned what a waste of energy it is to get all bent out of shape because I think somebody is being a horse's ass. That kind of of a mindset on my part is so completely pointless, and I need to remember that. I forget sometimes, but I'm trying to be a better person. It comes down to if I don't like what someone else has to say, there are all kinds of options: scroll down further; check out another thread; go feed the dog. It's all First Amendment 101, as far as I'm concerned. I offer that with the hope that if I don't have anything nice to say, then I will just keep my fingers off the keyboard. Perhaps others might agree. I think, though, this should be a place where we can have some fun and maybe not take it all so goddamned seriously. Yes, we have strong feelings about The Grateful Dead on many different levels, as I indicated that I do toward the top of this, but we need to keep it in perspective and understand that these discussions should be for entertainment purposes only and not give them the same weight that forums organized to find cures for diseases or to feed the hungry should be given.

Fare you well, all.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: BlueMtnMan Date: Apr 10, 2007 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?


Well said!

I have been in and out of this forum several times over the past 2+ years. There is no such thing as the good ole' days. What happened after the soundboards were pulled was bad enough for me to depart for several months. It got out-of-hand a while back, but after the last big blowout, most have made an effort to treat each other with a degree of respect. I think that's all we can ask of each other.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: JamminJerome Date: Apr 10, 2007 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

what i like: almost everything - the silly posts, show posts with purpose, non-dead posts, dead posts

what i don't like: drama, but i suppose it's inevitable in any group, imposters, and malicious use of multiple handles

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: smi2les Date: Apr 10, 2007 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

check out JABE 'Drama City' you may like that drama.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Apr 10, 2007 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

I never spend much time in school but I taught ladies plenty. It's true I hire my body out for pay, hey hey. I've gotten burned over Cheryl Tiegs, blown up for Raquel Welch. But when I end up in the hay it's only hay, hey hey. I might jump an open drawbridge, or Tarzan from a vine. 'Cause I'm the unknown stuntman that makes Eastwood look so fine.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 10, 2007 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

I never thought I would see someone quote "the fall Guy" lyrics is this forum. All hail heather Thomas and her pink bikini

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: n2oheaddives Date: Apr 11, 2007 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where do we go from here?

TTG = Mr. Ho ?